radiolab inheritance transcript

ROBERT: I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. DESTINY HARRIS: As you can see, I like to talk. I mean, he hates water. And I didn't find a single case of someone saying that they regretted what they've done. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You would be licking them quite a lot. Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. LYNN PALTROW: Well, her explanation is that these women are having, in her terms, litters of damaged babies and society forever will be responsible for them. PAT: And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. Even if it helps, it's horrifying. And he said, "Barbara, I'm not buying a school bus." That the licking is changing the baby's DNA? The critical part of this JAD: Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. JAD: Plus, you know, Lamarck didn't get all the biological details right. I mean like, with the licking, is it a teaching thing where, you know, the babies become good mothers because FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: They've seen it and they've repeated the experience. CARL ZIMMER: Well, it was a zoo where there was all sorts of experiments going on. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. SAM KEAN: The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. Do you know anything about the other four? If they see methyl groups sitting on that bit of DNA, they are pissed. JAD: So then over the next 70 some odd years, Lamarck basically became the poster boy for, like, the big dumb idea, the idea that you want to believe in but that you know isn't true. Then 275 words will cost you $ 10, while 3 hours will cost you $ 50. I'm trying to remember. Visit our website. That was amazing. ], You get them $200 each, which they can spend on crack. Because there is more data, more information about the people of verkalix, going farther back into the past than you can find almost anywhere else on Earth. A couple of days later, I had already bonded with her so much, it was as if I gave birth to her. JAD: Look, in the end, what do I know? JAD: Just to be sure, we asked Frances Champagne what she thinks of this data. Yeah, there you go. JAD: These are four kids from the same birth mother? If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. Because you begin with a mother's lick that ends up with a deep, deep change in the baby, not just the good, warm, fuzzy feeling, but a fundamental shift in who that baby is, and who that baby will be. SAM KEAN: This was a really, really big effect. And since Kammerer kept the heat up, toads basically had to stay there, in this watery place that they had not evolved for. Part 2 of our collaboration with Radiolab. What can't you? So now, the genes can make the proteins that make the rats a good mom? I ended up finding myself really conflicted about it. It happens. ROBERT: Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. I mean, I'm married to a Black man. That was it. ROBERT: Remind me this. According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. PAT: And I just felt like it was in one of those moments that contains everything that's good about us as people. That kind of 30 years? But then, a few years would pass, crops would bounce back. You're eight, sorry. So here's what you're going to notice. A few years later, there'd be a harsh winter. Let me say this again. He was miserable to look at. I guess retard. That's how I've always looked at it. No, not brain cells. In those books you can read everything about the citizens of verkalix, going back hundreds of years. Lamarck said, You wanna know how a giraffe got its long neck?, One day this giraffe, mother giraffe, lets say, was looking up in the tree and saw some fruit, and had to stretch he neck, and stretch again. She was totally an oops kid. He was born in 1880 in Vienna, Jewish family. JAD: In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. JAD: Yes. JAD: So this whole debate, two totally different ways of seeing life. Why would that happen? We talked to her for a little while and PAT: At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. That was nice. SAM KEAN: You feel kind of hemmed in by what your grandfather did? Barbara started finding herself on panels with women who'd use drugs during their pregnancies. PAT: Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. This, of course, is Destiny. So FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: So we start looking at maternal care. That's the headline for his talk, and then CARL ZIMMER: Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". Nobody's arguing that women should do drugs when they're pregnant. LATIF: Its so good that it makes you not want to trash the house, you know what I mean? PAT: In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. His famous example was giraffes. So much can happen after that. You got your good parents and your bad parents. You must have internet access to do this). SAM KEAN: And when he examined it, he noticed that there was a syringe hole there. ROBERT: And then the next one after that. BARBARA HARRIS: That's how we ended up with four of them. You can do this. Have you ever had someone call or write you and say that they regret their decision? SAM KEAN: Because it would reflect badly on the Soviet state. I have to be creative.". SAM KEAN: I guess the way I would look at it is that you can change your environment a lot more easily than you can change your genes. ROBERT: According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. I feel that they should all be sterilized. This great. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: [laughs[ Exactly. By Recode Staff Updated Oct 25, 2017, 12:01am. Stretching got into the baby. The connection between trees Normally trees from different species are competitors. LYNN PALTROW: The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. JAD: Turning down a job that they'd offered him. Oh my goodness. It's against the rules. I think the Swedish data are really, really strong, and very reliable. Sincerely, Jennifer.". She's 20 months old. SAM KEAN: He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." JAD: Because while you might have a lot of influence, you know, genetically speaking, over your kids and their kids, you don't seem to have a lot of control. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. Yes. And those lucky ones, according to Darwin's theory, they would have had to have been born with some random mutation in their genes That gave them an advantage in this situation. SAM KEAN: And, you know, there was kind of antisemitism growing at this time, so he thought that someone had framed him, and six weeks after Nobel published his results in Nature, Kammerer sent a letter to Moscow. Sample Page; ; BARBARA HARRIS: Barbara Harris. Meet Jeremiah! Three of them ended up in other foster homes and seem to have done pretty well, but one of them DESTINY HARRIS: Okay, well of them, don't really know what happened to her. The results make it probable that our descendants will learn more quickly what we know well, will execute more easily what we have accomplished with great effort, will be able to withstand what injured us almost to the point of death. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. Assuming that you can survive the ordeal, and you grow up, and you have kids of your own, the data seems to say that your kids will benefit from your suffering. [laughs]. She should be with me. So. JAD: To fellow named Jean-Baptiste Pierre Antoine de Monet, chevalier de Lamarck. The kingdom archive. Or is it? I just didnt think. CARL ZIMMER: She is nine. Heart disease. LULU: So far. JAD: So heres the backstory. When they got another call from a social worker saying that same mother, Destiny's birth mother, had given birth to another child. With a child, they give you a whole folder full of information, tells you all about them. Or is it? MICHAEL MEANEY: I was an undergraduate student. With NPR's Rough Translation. PAT: This, of course, is Destiny. PEJK MALINOVSKI: And we have a lot more grain here. I'm Carl Zimmer's daughter. Methyl groups are pretty sticky, they're hard to get off. PEJK MALINOVSKI: Okay, I'm here. PAT: It would be wrong to assume the women Barbara talks about on TV [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: These women don't just have one and two babies. I mean, the idea that they could be constrained by their DNA, that maybe one of us gave them a bit of DNA thats gonna hold them back? And then that baby would stretch and stretch, and it would give a little more stretching to its baby. This is the verkalix church parish record. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You know, you've got all these chemicals around. Kalia came too. JAD: [laughs] Youre just just judo, that's all this is. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. And that could have very easily have been one of us. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: You get them $200 each, which they can spend on crack. A little village? But if you've got a mom who licks you. PAT: She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. CARL ZIMMER: He's not just talking about toads anymore, he's gone way beyond toads. And The other day someone was whistling and I was like, "Stop it", and it just hit me, I was like, "Oh God, I was him", it's never appeared until now. So Barbara and her son got in the car and drove across town to the foster home where Destiny had been living for the past eight months. The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. How do those cycles perpetuate? It's off-limits. Kinda makes me claustrophobic. That doesn't matter. Your boys will first grow taller and taller for the next few years, and when they get to be about 9, 10 years old, they're going to stop growing just for a few years. Its a terrible thought! So this whole debate, two totally different ways of seeing life. And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. JAD: But were gonna play you stories where JAD: This is Radiolab. I know what I'll do, I'm going to set up a terrarium for them and I'm going to make it hot, really uncomfortably hot. And when methyl groups stick to that part of the DNA, the maternal instinct is effectively turned off. Its a terrible thought! Just don't have any more children because, at that point, I didn't really know any of them. And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. SAM KEAN: And these effects, in fact, were so strong that you could trace it to the grandfather. The little baby that we keep hearing in the background of everything. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member ofThe Labtoday. ROBERT: Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. And I just felt like it was in one of those moments that contains everything that's good about us as people. BARBARA HARRIS: I already knew that if I ever got a little girl, I was going to name her Destiny. PAT: And even though they look basically nothing alike. They all go down to the DNA, surround that methyl and just, pow! SAM KEAN: He was really one of the first grand theorists in biology. Serotonin gets into the brain cells, and according to Michael unleashes A whole series of molecular events inside the cell. LULU: Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. LATIF: Oh you said it so much more diplomatically. The kingdom archive. It's only the mechanisms are not so clear. PAT: The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". SAM KEAN: In a little community called verkalix. SAM KEAN: Yeah, it was a very attractive theory to them in Moscow. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. I wonder. Well, the DNA, the RNA, micro-RNAs, histone. JAD: No, not brain cells. They would experience these wild changes from harvest to harvest. I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. JAD: I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. We'll just be honest. 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